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Star Spangled C...

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Originally posted by farnival:
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uh, ever heard of listeriosis? 20 dead so far if i recall.[/b]


Yeah, but that wasn't necessarily Clement's fault. or at least he didn't take a big hit in public opinion for it. Gerry Ritz screwed up in that area royally which is why he'll almost certainly be dropped. Not too familiar with who else they have in Saskatchewan so no idea who would repalce him in cabinet from the province.

Star Spangled C...

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Originally posted by farnival:
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uh, ever heard of listeriosis? 20 dead so far if i recall.[/b]


Yeah, but that wasn't necessarily Clement's fault. or at least he didn't take a big hit in public opinion for it. Gerry Ritz screwed up in that area royally which is why he'll almost certainly be dropped. Not too familiar with who else they have in Saskatchewan so no idea who would repalce him in cabinet from the province.

farnival

not his fault????????????? he's the freakin' HEALTH MINISTER!!!!!!

Ritz as Ag Minister lowered the reporting and inspection standards and caused a national health emergency, and where was Clement?

At the Democratic convention in the states, making stupid comments at the dinner he was at about it.

coincidentally, he was in Harris' cabinet during Walkerton, another deregulation fiasco, and was cited by the WHO as one of main problems during the SARS outbreak.

Clement himself is a health hazard. it's hard "to take a hit" in the media when you are either unavailable, invisible, or out of the country. and you call that success?

[ 21 October 2008: Message edited by: farnival ]

farnival

not his fault????????????? he's the freakin' HEALTH MINISTER!!!!!!

Ritz as Ag Minister lowered the reporting and inspection standards and caused a national health emergency, and where was Clement?

At the Democratic convention in the states, making stupid comments at the dinner he was at about it.

coincidentally, he was in Harris' cabinet during Walkerton, another deregulation fiasco, and was cited by the WHO as one of main problems during the SARS outbreak.

Clement himself is a health hazard. it's hard "to take a hit" in the media when you are either unavailable, invisible, or out of the country. and you call that success?

[ 21 October 2008: Message edited by: farnival ]

RonaldReagan

Conservative Cabinet Predictions:

1.Prime Minister: Adolph Hitler
2.Finance: Idi Amin
3.Treasury: Pol Pot
4.Industry: Ivan the Terrible
5.International Trade: Vlad the Impaler
6.Labour: Josef Stalin
7.Revenue: Maximilien Robespierre
8.Natural Resources: Ayotollah Khomein
9.Agriculture: Atilla The Hun
10.Fisheries and Oceans: Leopold II of Belgium
11.Environment: Robert Mugabe
12.Heritage: Slobodan Milosevic
13.Transport: Benito Mussolini
14.Government Services
15.Health: Jack the Ripper
16.Human Resources/Social Development: Mao
17.Immigration and Citizenship: Tamarlane
18.Indian and Northern Affairs: Nicolae Ceausescu
19.Defence: Henry Kissinger

RonaldReagan

Conservative Cabinet Predictions:

1.Prime Minister: Adolph Hitler
2.Finance: Idi Amin
3.Treasury: Pol Pot
4.Industry: Ivan the Terrible
5.International Trade: Vlad the Impaler
6.Labour: Josef Stalin
7.Revenue: Maximilien Robespierre
8.Natural Resources: Ayotollah Khomein
9.Agriculture: Atilla The Hun
10.Fisheries and Oceans: Leopold II of Belgium
11.Environment: Robert Mugabe
12.Heritage: Slobodan Milosevic
13.Transport: Benito Mussolini
14.Government Services
15.Health: Jack the Ripper
16.Human Resources/Social Development: Mao
17.Immigration and Citizenship: Tamarlane
18.Indian and Northern Affairs: Nicolae Ceausescu
19.Defence: Henry Kissinger

Wilf Day

From the GTA:

Some or all of:

Bob Dechert, Mississauga-Erindale

Lisa Raitt, Halton

Peter Kent, Thornhill

Lois Brown, Newmarket-Aurora

Terence Young, Oakville

Paul Calandra, Oak-Ridges Markham. Who? Chief of Staff to Ontario MPP Steve Gilchrist, the four-month wonder cabinet minister in 1999, from 1995 to 2003. During that time he ran in Gilchrist's Scarborough riding as Alliance candidate in 2000.[url=http://www.yorkregion.com/article/30680] Later, his two sisters sued him, claiming he had used a revoked power of attorney to take out a $240,000 mortgage on their mother’s Ballantrae farm, wrote a $25,000 cheque to himself and charged a total of $7,800 on one of their mother’s charge cards without her knowledge or consent.[/url]

[ 21 October 2008: Message edited by: Wilf Day ]

Wilf Day

From the GTA:

Some or all of:

Bob Dechert, Mississauga-Erindale

Lisa Raitt, Halton

Peter Kent, Thornhill

Lois Brown, Newmarket-Aurora

Terence Young, Oakville

Paul Calandra, Oak-Ridges Markham. Who? Chief of Staff to Ontario MPP Steve Gilchrist, the four-month wonder cabinet minister in 1999, from 1995 to 2003. During that time he ran in Gilchrist's Scarborough riding as Alliance candidate in 2000.[url=http://www.yorkregion.com/article/30680] Later, his two sisters sued him, claiming he had used a revoked power of attorney to take out a $240,000 mortgage on their mother’s Ballantrae farm, wrote a $25,000 cheque to himself and charged a total of $7,800 on one of their mother’s charge cards without her knowledge or consent.[/url]

[ 21 October 2008: Message edited by: Wilf Day ]

adma

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Originally posted by RonaldReagan:
[b]Conservative Cabinet Predictions:

1.Prime Minister: Adolph Hitler
2.Finance: Idi Amin
3.Treasury: Pol Pot
4.Industry: Ivan the Terrible
5.International Trade: Vlad the Impaler
6.Labour: Josef Stalin
7.Revenue: Maximilien Robespierre
8.Natural Resources: Ayotollah Khomein
9.Agriculture: Atilla The Hun
10.Fisheries and Oceans: Leopold II of Belgium
11.Environment: Robert Mugabe
12.Heritage: Slobodan Milosevic
13.Transport: Benito Mussolini
14.Government Services
15.Health: Jack the Ripper
16.Human Resources/Social Development: Mao
17.Immigration and Citizenship: Tamarlane
18.Indian and Northern Affairs: Nicolae Ceausescu
19.Defence: Henry Kissinger[/b]


[url=เกมส์ยิงปลาW88http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b64626_family_guy_mccain-palin_ticket_app... ha.[/url]

adma

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Originally posted by RonaldReagan:
[b]Conservative Cabinet Predictions:

1.Prime Minister: Adolph Hitler
2.Finance: Idi Amin
3.Treasury: Pol Pot
4.Industry: Ivan the Terrible
5.International Trade: Vlad the Impaler
6.Labour: Josef Stalin
7.Revenue: Maximilien Robespierre
8.Natural Resources: Ayotollah Khomein
9.Agriculture: Atilla The Hun
10.Fisheries and Oceans: Leopold II of Belgium
11.Environment: Robert Mugabe
12.Heritage: Slobodan Milosevic
13.Transport: Benito Mussolini
14.Government Services
15.Health: Jack the Ripper
16.Human Resources/Social Development: Mao
17.Immigration and Citizenship: Tamarlane
18.Indian and Northern Affairs: Nicolae Ceausescu
19.Defence: Henry Kissinger[/b]


[url=http://ca.eonline.com/uberblog/b64626_family_guy_mccain-palin_ticket_app... ha.[/url]

Mojoroad1
Mojoroad1
West Coast Lefty

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I have a feeling Indian and Northern Affairs will either go to Leona Aglukkaq from Nunavut or Rod Bruinooge from Winnipeg South.

Even Harper is not idiotic enough to appoint Bruinooge to Cabinet, esp not to Indian Affairs [img]mad.gif" border="0[/img] Bruinooge's questioning of former Paul Martin on the Kelowna Accord was borderline racist and one of the most offensive moments of the last Parliament. Vic Toews is the Manitoba rep to Cabinet and I don't think Harper needs to have another rep for that province.


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James Moore, Daniel Petit, Gail Shea, Lynne Yelich and Ted Menzies are the new ministers.

Moore is already in Cabinet as a Sec of State for Official Languages and should get a promotion. Petit is probably the least impressive of the Tory MPs from Quebec, and I include Bernier in this judgment. Petit will stay on the backbench and Mad Max will get a minor portfolio like Tourism and will never be heard from again. Shea is a shoo-in and Yelich would make sense as the Sask cabinet rep.


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Rodney Weston or Keith Ashfield, both former provincial cabinet ministers in New Brunswick, both from urban ridings

One of these will get in and may bump Greg Thompson, who isn't exactly setting the world on fire at Veterans' Affairs.

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B.C
1.North Vancouver, Andrew Saxton, an investment banker. Described as a moderate. The Liberals didn't lose here by much this time around, so this riding could swing back though.

2.Vancouver Island North, John Duncan. Not a newcomer. Was reportedly in line to get Natural Resources but was unexpectedly defeated in 2006, this opened the door to that idiot Gary Lunn. Anybody would be a step up from Lunn in that portfolio, though I'd be surprised if Duncan replaced him now.


Duncan won't go to Natural Resources but would be a decent pick for Fisheries with Hearn having retired. It's a swing seat and Harper will put Duncan, a proven performer and returning veteran MP, in Cabinet if he's smart. Lunn will likely stay at Natural Resources. I think Alice Wong from Richmond is a sure bet to get Cabinet, Saxton will need to wait his turn.


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if Cannon gets moved, Lisa Raitt could be good at transportation. I've read somewhere that Clement wants out of health and covets foreign affairs. He didn't screw up too badly in health and there aren't a lot of heavyweights who could move to foreign affairs so he may take it.

I definitely see Raitt at Transport and Communities with Cannon to either Foreign Affairs or Industry. Ablonczy deserves a senior ministry like Health, and Clement could go to Industry or perhaps to Environment if Harper wants to moderate his approach to climate change (we can only hope!)

West Coast Lefty

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I have a feeling Indian and Northern Affairs will either go to Leona Aglukkaq from Nunavut or Rod Bruinooge from Winnipeg South.

Even Harper is not idiotic enough to appoint Bruinooge to Cabinet, esp not to Indian Affairs [img]mad.gif" border="0[/img] Bruinooge's questioning of former Paul Martin on the Kelowna Accord was borderline racist and one of the most offensive moments of the last Parliament. Vic Toews is the Manitoba rep to Cabinet and I don't think Harper needs to have another rep for that province.


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James Moore, Daniel Petit, Gail Shea, Lynne Yelich and Ted Menzies are the new ministers.

Moore is already in Cabinet as a Sec of State for Official Languages and should get a promotion. Petit is probably the least impressive of the Tory MPs from Quebec, and I include Bernier in this judgment. Petit will stay on the backbench and Mad Max will get a minor portfolio like Tourism and will never be heard from again. Shea is a shoo-in and Yelich would make sense as the Sask cabinet rep.


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Rodney Weston or Keith Ashfield, both former provincial cabinet ministers in New Brunswick, both from urban ridings

One of these will get in and may bump Greg Thompson, who isn't exactly setting the world on fire at Veterans' Affairs.

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B.C
1.North Vancouver, Andrew Saxton, an investment banker. Described as a moderate. The Liberals didn't lose here by much this time around, so this riding could swing back though.

2.Vancouver Island North, John Duncan. Not a newcomer. Was reportedly in line to get Natural Resources but was unexpectedly defeated in 2006, this opened the door to that idiot Gary Lunn. Anybody would be a step up from Lunn in that portfolio, though I'd be surprised if Duncan replaced him now.


Duncan won't go to Natural Resources but would be a decent pick for Fisheries with Hearn having retired. It's a swing seat and Harper will put Duncan, a proven performer and returning veteran MP, in Cabinet if he's smart. Lunn will likely stay at Natural Resources. I think Alice Wong from Richmond is a sure bet to get Cabinet, Saxton will need to wait his turn.


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if Cannon gets moved, Lisa Raitt could be good at transportation. I've read somewhere that Clement wants out of health and covets foreign affairs. He didn't screw up too badly in health and there aren't a lot of heavyweights who could move to foreign affairs so he may take it.

I definitely see Raitt at Transport and Communities with Cannon to either Foreign Affairs or Industry. Ablonczy deserves a senior ministry like Health, and Clement could go to Industry or perhaps to Environment if Harper wants to moderate his approach to climate change (we can only hope!)

skarredmunkey

Gaawwwd, what a rinky-dink bunch of nobodies make up the Conservative Party. My predictions are that Diane Ablonczy will get a cabinet position; John Baird will go to Foreign Affairs; Greg Thomspon is out; and British Columbia will be heavily rewarded.

I'm interested in how Harper is going to handle being shut out of Newfoundland and Labrador. Will he appoint [url=http://sen.parl.gc.ca/ecochrane/english/home_e.html]this nobody[/url] to some lame portfolio, or will he appoint [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Manning]a familiar face[/url] to the Senate? Or more likely, will [url=http://votegailshea.ca/]one[/url] of [url=http://www.petermackay.ca/]these[/url] lackies oversee matters pertaining to that most rambunctious of provinces?

skarredmunkey

Gaawwwd, what a rinky-dink bunch of nobodies make up the Conservative Party. My predictions are that Diane Ablonczy will get a cabinet position; John Baird will go to Foreign Affairs; Greg Thomspon is out; and British Columbia will be heavily rewarded.

I'm interested in how Harper is going to handle being shut out of Newfoundland and Labrador. Will he appoint [url=http://sen.parl.gc.ca/ecochrane/english/home_e.html]this nobody[/url] to some lame portfolio, or will he appoint [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fabian_Manning]a familiar face[/url] to the Senate? Or more likely, will [url=http://votegailshea.ca/]one[/url] of [url=http://www.petermackay.ca/]these[/url] lackies oversee matters pertaining to that most rambunctious of provinces?

Wilf Day

I heard David Emerson on TV yesterday arguing that the Conservative campaign in BC was a success in getting seats closer to the City of Vancouver: John Weston in West Van, Andrew Saxton in North Van, Alice Wong in Richmond.

At least one new minister there.

Wilf Day

I heard David Emerson on TV yesterday arguing that the Conservative campaign in BC was a success in getting seats closer to the City of Vancouver: John Weston in West Van, Andrew Saxton in North Van, Alice Wong in Richmond.

At least one new minister there.

Star Spangled C...

I've also heard that David emerson is goign to be the next ambassador to the United States.

Star Spangled C...

I've also heard that David emerson is goign to be the next ambassador to the United States.

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by Star Spangled Canadian:[b]I've also heard that David emerson is goign to be the next ambassador to the United States.[/b]

Hey, this triggered me to think about Harper's wanting to put the US Ambassador into the HoC. What will he do/say about this when Obama wins?

And for that matter who would Obama pick as Ambassador to Canada? Bill Clinton?

remind remind's picture

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Originally posted by Star Spangled Canadian:[b]I've also heard that David emerson is goign to be the next ambassador to the United States.[/b]

Hey, this triggered me to think about Harper's wanting to put the US Ambassador into the HoC. What will he do/say about this when Obama wins?

And for that matter who would Obama pick as Ambassador to Canada? Bill Clinton?

Star Spangled C...

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Originally posted by remind:
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And for that matter who would Obama pick as Ambassador to Canada? Bill Clinton?[/b]

Bill would probably jump at that opportunity if it would get him away from Hillary.

Star Spangled C...

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Originally posted by remind:
[b]
And for that matter who would Obama pick as Ambassador to Canada? Bill Clinton?[/b]

Bill would probably jump at that opportunity if it would get him away from Hillary.

skarredmunkey

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Originally posted by remind:
[b]And for that matter who would Obama pick as Ambassador to Canada? Bill Clinton?[/b]

I doubt it. Probably another low-life Governor and Obama loyalist (or McCain loyalist if he wins) from some state that has no interest in Canada-US relations yet someone who is still not above telling the Canadian government what their policies should be and how to behave.

ghoris

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Originally posted by remind:
Hey, this triggered me to think about Harper's wanting to put the US Ambassador into the HoC. What will he do/say about this when Obama wins?


I think Harper wanted the ambassador to be a member of Cabinet. The Americans have given "cabinet-level rank" to their UN Ambassadors and Trade Representatives in the past.

genstrike

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Originally posted by West Coast Lefty:
[b]Even Harper is not idiotic enough to appoint Bruinooge to Cabinet, esp not to Indian Affairs Bruinooge's questioning of former Paul Martin on the Kelowna Accord was borderline racist and one of the most offensive moments of the last Parliament.[/b]

Bruinooge is already the Parliamentary Secretary. I agree with you that he is a crappy MP, but they don't have a lot of decent talent in Winnipeg. He does serve a position as a token Metis person in the Harper government though.

remind remind's picture

Hey I over looked this before, has anyone got a link?

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Bruinooge's questioning of former Paul Martin on the Kelowna Accord was borderline racist and one of the most offensive moments of the last Parliament.

Wilf Day

[url=http://www.xtra.ca/public/National/Manitoban_Tory_MPs_we_should_keep_an_... Justice Minister Vic Toews, a proponent of traditional family values and a foe of gay rights since he was first elected in 1995, recently got himself embroiled in a messy divorce after he fathered an out-of-wedlock child with another woman.[/url]

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Prior to the election, he mailed a mea culpa to his hometown paper, the Steinbach Carillon.

"Every day, every situation and every decision brings choices as to which path to take," he wrote. "Most times I believe that we choose the correct path; however, as human beings we will sometimes choose incorrectly. I am no exception and I take full responsibility for the decisions I make." Despite the Christian leanings of most of his constituents, the good people of Provencher riding decided to forgive Toews his sins. However, many people expect that his political path will soon lead to a highly coveted judicial appointment, so that Harper can rid himself of the two-timing president of the Treasury Board.

Candice Hoeppner, the newly elected MP for the southern Manitoba riding of Portage-Lisgar, was outed by the Winnipeg Free Press as "a skilled party strategist and social conservative." Already, speculation is buzzing that she'll land in Harper's cabinet sooner rather than later. Why? She's smooth. . .

If newly elected Candice Hoeppner doesn't replace Toews in cabinet, the next most likely candidate is Winnipeg-area MP Joy Smith.

Another Manitoba Tory MP who's rising in the ranks is Winnipeg South rep Rod Bruinooge. A proud fundamentalist Christian, he gained notoriety for embracing an endorsement by the Campaign Life Coalition and speaking out against Henry Morgentaler's recent Order of Canada award. . . he proceeded to explain that he was against equal rights for queers and that nothing would change his mind.

Finally, the new Tory wildcard in Manitoba is Shelly Glover, elected for the first time in the Winnipeg riding of St Boniface. A 19-year veteran of the Winnipeg police force, Constable Glover announced on election night that her win was a "victory for justice."


ghoris

I'm surprised to see this article was written by Kaj Hasselriis because at first blush it appeared to have been written by someone who is clueless about the Manitoba political scene.

First, he seems to to think that Manitoba has 15 MPs and that 10 Tories were elected.

Second, the Toews gossip is old news in Manitoba. Vic's marriage has been on the rocks for years. There was even gossip to the effect in his 1995 provincial campaign. The media in Manitoba basically steered clear of reporting on the pregnancy issue but it was fairly widely known, at least in political circles.

Third, Vic got appointed to cabinet in 2006 because he was one of the precious few in the Tory ranks who had actual cabinet experience, not because he was a Bible beater. If Harper is smart he will consolidate his party's gains in Winnipeg by appointing someone like Fletcher or Glover over someone like Hoeppner. Smith is, to put it as politely as I can, not that bright, and doesn't belong anywhere near the cabinet table, and I'm sure a lot of Tories know this. Bruinooge is probably in the mix, but I think Harper knows he'd just be asking for trouble with that pick. Time will tell.

Wilf Day

[url=http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/story/LAC.20081030.CABINETWOMEN30... leaked predictions in the Globe and CTV had Shelly Glover in cabinet.[/url] What happened?

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Originally posted by ghoris:
[b]If Harper is smart he will consolidate his party's gains in Winnipeg by appointing someone like Fletcher or Glover over someone like Hoeppner.[/b]

Or both, eh?

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Originally posted by ghoris:
[b]If Harper's looking for completely new faces (as in just elected this election) Shelley Glover seems like a possible future star for them. Aside from Shea, Glover, Raitt and Kent there don't seem to be a lot of obvious prospects among the "Class of 2008" but I'm sure babblers will let me know if I've overlooked anyone.[/b]

Gold star, except for missing Leona Aglukkaq and Keith Ashfield, and including Glover.

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Originally posted by skarredmunkey:
[b]My predictions are that . . . British Columbia will be heavily rewarded.[/b]

They lost David Emerson to retirement, and he was replaced by . . . no one.

As noted above, a week ago I heard Emerson on TV arguing that the Conservative campaign in BC was a success in getting seats closer to the City of Vancouver: John Weston in West Van, Andrew Saxton in North Van, Alice Wong in Richmond.

At least one new minister there, I thought I could hear Emerson saying.

I guess I was wrong. I doubt Emerson is pleased.

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George Victor

Prentice is Environment and we're going to have to run like hell to keep up with him!

Why?

Because he speaks of environment and economics as "two sides of the same coin."

I'll buy the evening's beer for any individual who can show me that that is not new ground for them (for us, too, matter of fact...vague talk about building wind turbines in Canada notwithstanding).

500_Apples

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Originally posted by George Victor:
[b]Prentice is Environment and we're going to have to run like hell to keep up with him!

Why?

Because he speaks of environment and economics as "two sides of the same coin."

I'll buy the evening's beer for any individual who can show me that that is not new ground for them (for us, too, matter of fact...vague talk about building wind turbines in Canada notwithstanding).[/b]


Prentice is very sane and has the trust of Harper, I think this will be one of the better appointments.

You better hope global capitalism can fix environmental issues, because capitalism is the only game in town.

George Victor

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You better hope global capitalism can fix environmental issues, because capitalism is the only game in town.


That became the case two decades back, but if it's written in stone, I'm going to drink that beer myself - and just stay drunk.

What a horrible, horrible prospect. Declining Earth resources and Homo economicus to the end. You sure know how to cheer a fella. [img]rolleyes.gif" border="0[/img]

genstrike

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Originally posted by 500_Apples:
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You better hope global capitalism can fix environmental issues, because capitalism is the only game in town.[/b]

Exactly why we need to make a new game

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